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		<title>By: squib</title>
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		<dc:creator>squib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few people mentioned that in the initial scene where Marty Prime departs from the Twin Pines Mall we can see another Marty--Marty B?--watching from the background? If this is true then where and when exactly? I can&#039;t seem to see it on a choppy streamed version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few people mentioned that in the initial scene where Marty Prime departs from the Twin Pines Mall we can see another Marty&#8211;Marty B?&#8211;watching from the background? If this is true then where and when exactly? I can&#8217;t seem to see it on a choppy streamed version.</p>
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		<title>By: mrwords</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrwords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And instead we replaced it with substandard construction, concrete walls separating neighborhoods and a fortified embassy.    Fear just has a new face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And instead we replaced it with substandard construction, concrete walls separating neighborhoods and a fortified embassy.    Fear just has a new face.</p>
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		<title>By: vzwpix.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>vzwpix.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 07:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope we safe some of these artifacts.  This is history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope we safe some of these artifacts.  This is history.</p>
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		<title>By: imment</title>
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		<dc:creator>imment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I even defaced a rare book to get that picture of Saadam in a speedo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I even defaced a rare book to get that picture of Saadam in a speedo!</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly,  we shredded that country and killed a million civilians,  we have just as much blood on our hands.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly,  we shredded that country and killed a million civilians,  we have just as much blood on our hands.</p>
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		<title>By: xy7 review</title>
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		<dc:creator>xy7 review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, but there were gaps.    The electrical grid was falling apart even before any attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, but there were gaps.    The electrical grid was falling apart even before any attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: NotTheBuddha</title>
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		<dc:creator>NotTheBuddha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For the record, I’ve always thought this was a goof on the part of the filmmakers; they never should have had the second Marty watching events at the Twin Pines Mall, since it becomes the Lone Pine Mall later when Marty Prime returns.&quot;

This was not apparent to the people who are familiar with the film from cable or VHS cuts that panned-and-scanned the &quot;other Marty&quot; away.

I don&#039;t see the other Marty&#039;s existence as a mistake so much as a suggestion that 1955-Doc&#039;s warnings about the consequences of time travel are rightfully severe: that Marty ended up in a 1985 with a family of losers and probably got in trouble for having a stolen car belonging to a murdered Doc Brown.

And of course, there&#039;s the real life &quot;other Marty&quot;, Eric Stolz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For the record, I’ve always thought this was a goof on the part of the filmmakers; they never should have had the second Marty watching events at the Twin Pines Mall, since it becomes the Lone Pine Mall later when Marty Prime returns.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was not apparent to the people who are familiar with the film from cable or VHS cuts that panned-and-scanned the &#8220;other Marty&#8221; away.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the other Marty&#8217;s existence as a mistake so much as a suggestion that 1955-Doc&#8217;s warnings about the consequences of time travel are rightfully severe: that Marty ended up in a 1985 with a family of losers and probably got in trouble for having a stolen car belonging to a murdered Doc Brown.</p>
<p>And of course, there&#8217;s the real life &#8220;other Marty&#8221;, Eric Stolz.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 things.

1. When the newspaper changes to &quot;Doc Brown Commended&quot;, since the final Doc wasn&#039;t actually commended, does this create yet another Doc?

2. There is one place where I&#039;ve always thought the internal rules of the film biffed, so to speak. As stated in the beginning of the article, the rules of the movie always show the actions the characters take as being the prime actions. When Marty goes back to 1955, it&#039;s because Doc is dead, not as suggested, wearing the vest but not telling Marty so that he&#039;ll have to time travel, that&#039;s the paradox style the movie avoids. When we see them time travel, it&#039;s always the alpha event. This is not the case in part 3 when the canyon was named after Clara in an event that only takes place because of an interaction with the main characters. Since Marty was aware of the story behind the canyon, it&#039;s the explanation that a different chain of events, but one that still involved Doc Marty and time travel had already occured in 1885 and dictates, since it&#039;s the &quot;first&quot; event in the timeline (1885), that the entire chain of events in all 3 movies, had in fact, occured before. Similar to Neo in the Matrix.

mind = blown</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 things.</p>
<p>1. When the newspaper changes to &#8220;Doc Brown Commended&#8221;, since the final Doc wasn&#8217;t actually commended, does this create yet another Doc?</p>
<p>2. There is one place where I&#8217;ve always thought the internal rules of the film biffed, so to speak. As stated in the beginning of the article, the rules of the movie always show the actions the characters take as being the prime actions. When Marty goes back to 1955, it&#8217;s because Doc is dead, not as suggested, wearing the vest but not telling Marty so that he&#8217;ll have to time travel, that&#8217;s the paradox style the movie avoids. When we see them time travel, it&#8217;s always the alpha event. This is not the case in part 3 when the canyon was named after Clara in an event that only takes place because of an interaction with the main characters. Since Marty was aware of the story behind the canyon, it&#8217;s the explanation that a different chain of events, but one that still involved Doc Marty and time travel had already occured in 1885 and dictates, since it&#8217;s the &#8220;first&#8221; event in the timeline (1885), that the entire chain of events in all 3 movies, had in fact, occured before. Similar to Neo in the Matrix.</p>
<p>mind = blown</p>
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		<title>By: LBDG</title>
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		<dc:creator>LBDG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could solve the Marty A / Marty B problem by turning the events into a möbius strip of sorts.

-Marty A with the geeky dad and overweight mom goes back in time and manages to alter how his parents first met, making his dad cool and his mom hot.  He also runs over a tree turning Twin Pines Mall into Lone Pine Mall.

-Marty B with the cool dad and the hot mom goes back in time.  He DOES NOT do any of the things Marty A did, so his dad still falls out of the tree and becomes (remains?) uncool and his mom evolves into the original overweight version.  He also doesn&#039;t run over the pine upon his arrival (having richer parents gave him better driving lessons), transforming the Lone Pine Mall he always knew into Twin Pines Mall upon his return.

Both Marty A and Marty B watched Doc Brown get shot, so both go to him for help and both give him the same warning.

These 2 events repeatedly alternate in a never-ending cycle between A/B/A/B/A/B, with Marty continually causing and un-causing changes.  Assuming the film starts on any &quot;A&quot; iteration other than the very first one, that explains the appearance of a Marty watching in the distance at Twin Pines Mall. 

(Incidentally, I&#039;ve seen the movie many many times and have never noticed this other Marty in the initial Twin Pines Mall scene, but based on this article and the discussion I can&#039;t wait to watch it again to look for him.  Thanks for the tip!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could solve the Marty A / Marty B problem by turning the events into a möbius strip of sorts.</p>
<p>-Marty A with the geeky dad and overweight mom goes back in time and manages to alter how his parents first met, making his dad cool and his mom hot.  He also runs over a tree turning Twin Pines Mall into Lone Pine Mall.</p>
<p>-Marty B with the cool dad and the hot mom goes back in time.  He DOES NOT do any of the things Marty A did, so his dad still falls out of the tree and becomes (remains?) uncool and his mom evolves into the original overweight version.  He also doesn&#8217;t run over the pine upon his arrival (having richer parents gave him better driving lessons), transforming the Lone Pine Mall he always knew into Twin Pines Mall upon his return.</p>
<p>Both Marty A and Marty B watched Doc Brown get shot, so both go to him for help and both give him the same warning.</p>
<p>These 2 events repeatedly alternate in a never-ending cycle between A/B/A/B/A/B, with Marty continually causing and un-causing changes.  Assuming the film starts on any &#8220;A&#8221; iteration other than the very first one, that explains the appearance of a Marty watching in the distance at Twin Pines Mall. </p>
<p>(Incidentally, I&#8217;ve seen the movie many many times and have never noticed this other Marty in the initial Twin Pines Mall scene, but based on this article and the discussion I can&#8217;t wait to watch it again to look for him.  Thanks for the tip!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thing is, there really IS a Marty B.

Remember, Marty Prime (A) has gone back in time and changed things, returns, and witnesses [a different version of] himself leaving for 1955 from the Lone Pine Mall. Previously, we clearly saw another Marty (Marty B), witnessing Marty Prime&#039;s departure to 1955 from the Twin Pines Mall.

That Marty (B) has lead a somewhat different life from Marty Prime, and is now (obstensively) trapped in Marty Prime&#039;s timeline. 

I&#039;m not sure how this affects the timeline without the existence/creation  of a parallel universe, or how A and B cross over, or how changes made by Marty B will affect one of the timelines, or if B can even return to 1955 or 1985 B. 

For the record, I&#039;ve always thought this was a goof on the part of the filmmakers; they never should have had the second Marty watching events at the Twin Pines Mall, since it becomes the Lone Pine Mall later when Marty Prime returns.

Sorry... maybe I&#039;m O.D.ing on my own Geekery!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thing is, there really IS a Marty B.</p>
<p>Remember, Marty Prime (A) has gone back in time and changed things, returns, and witnesses [a different version of] himself leaving for 1955 from the Lone Pine Mall. Previously, we clearly saw another Marty (Marty B), witnessing Marty Prime&#8217;s departure to 1955 from the Twin Pines Mall.</p>
<p>That Marty (B) has lead a somewhat different life from Marty Prime, and is now (obstensively) trapped in Marty Prime&#8217;s timeline. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how this affects the timeline without the existence/creation  of a parallel universe, or how A and B cross over, or how changes made by Marty B will affect one of the timelines, or if B can even return to 1955 or 1985 B. </p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;ve always thought this was a goof on the part of the filmmakers; they never should have had the second Marty watching events at the Twin Pines Mall, since it becomes the Lone Pine Mall later when Marty Prime returns.</p>
<p>Sorry&#8230; maybe I&#8217;m O.D.ing on my own Geekery!</p>
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